Is the Chris Moyles Show as good as it was 5 years ago?

[Aled]

Come on, all in all - is the show better or worse than it was when it launches in the coveted slot of Breakfast Show on Radio 1?

In 5 years we have less features, more Dom and the team a new Sport presenter, less music and more ratings.

We still have Car Park Catchphrase and Tedious link and Ramble.

What are your thoughts?

[Yudster]

I think the show is better now than when it first went to the Breakfast timeslot.

However - my favourite shows were always the early morning ones from the very old days, and then the Saturday shows - it all just seemed a little more subversive and edgy then.

[bbb]

i would says its better but then i cant rember much about the shows from 5 years ago just bits of it

from what i do rember of it iloved all the
features cant rember if one road travel was there form the start but it was one of my favs
but i do like the way the show is now i find it better
cant explain why as to me it just seems like not much has changed even know it has
you know i could have a convo with someone then forget about it the next day lol:D

[postie]

i think it has got much better because he constantly changes stuff now and then to stop it going stale

[Q]

I'd like to vote in this, but im not sure if there is an option that covers me.

I've been a regular listener of Moyles for many years, but lately (over the past 6 or 7 months) i've found myself not listening. I cant put my finger on why, I dont think its anything the show has or hasnt done; I just find it a little repetative and occasionally Chris starts to get on my nerves. I dont think its the fault of anybody on the show or any changes that may have happened, and the listening figures would seem to prove that the show is doing as well as ever. I think I may have just outgrown it.

That said I do listen again occasionally if I read something interesting on the latest running order.

[moogal]

I still really enjoy it, especially now Car Park Catchphrase is back. Got to have some horn action first thing in the morning!

On the other hand, I miss One Road Travel (and, probably controversially, Celebrity Tarzan, if just for the jingle!) But overall it's still the best thing on in the morning by miles.

[angeleyes71]

well as ive only been listening for a year i cant vote but i do love the show xxxx

[Yudster]

I miss............Celebrity Tarzan..........
Oh me too! I thought I was the only person who loved it!

[Andrew80]

Oh me too! I thought I was the only person who loved it!

me three! I really enjoy the show and I would not listen to anything else going to work - less music more chat is the right mix for the mornings I think.

I used to be a local commercial listener but the only shows I would listen to on R1 are: Moyles, Mills, Chart and Surgery (with Aled from the Chris Moyles Show the artist formerly known as Aled Hayden Jones lol)

[postie]

i liked the birthday one too

[Chongster]

I think One Road Travel is something I miss the most, and the jingle, with the fabulous Dominic Byrne!

Other than that though, I'm still enjoying the shows as much as I always have. Odly, the thing I find funniest right now on the show is whenever Chris does his impression of Rachel, it just kills me it makes me laugh so much!

[CathGamble]

Trust me, when you leave the house at 6.30 and only get to listen to the show until 7.15 it's the best 45 minutes of my working day. I'd say it's definitely got better but then I have to say that the first half hour is a "special" time when there is lots of chat and not many tunes - perfect !!

Liking Rachel's "bits and pieces" records at the moment, i'm even worse than Dom !!

[postie]

Trust me, when you leave the house at 6.30 and only get to listen to the show until 7.15 it's the best 45 minutes of my working day. I'd say it's definitely got better but then I have to say that the first half hour is a "special" time when there is lots of chat and not many tunes - perfect !!

Liking Rachel's "bits and pieces" records at the moment, i'm even worse than Dom !!

I love the first half hour for that reason too :icon_mrgreen:

[jet]

I think its much the same, still really funny!

[Kate]

In my opinion no it's not. I would explain why I think so, but I'm trying to keep to my minimal effort theme.

[bbb]

I miss One Road Travel (and, probably controversially, Celebrity Tarzan, if just for the jingle!) But overall it's still the best thing on in the morning by miles.
i miss one raod travel and celebrity tarzan
loved the jingles for them both

beep bepp(something) one road travel with the fabulous Dominic Byrne!

i done the something bit as i cant rember if there was a word of a noise that went there ><

[Andrew80]

I think One Road Travel is something I miss the most, and the jingle, with the fabulous Dominic Byrne!

I enjoyed Jazz hands during the fabulous bit - always made the drive to work more interesting!

[s4b]

I think it's MUCH better now! I never used to listen because I thought it was absolute rubbish but now I love it!

[Kate]

I think it's MUCH better now! I never used to listen because I thought it was absolute rubbish but now I love it!

When and why did you think it was rubbish, and how did you come to change your mind?

[Aimee]

Im liking it as much as i liked it 5 years ago...to be truthful though i didnt listen to it as much back then as i didnt get chance to everyday unlike now but i think the show keeps getting better and better each year. It still makes me laugh out loud on the way to work or at work and has got the right the mix of songs and talking....the talking which i love the best :D

[jools4karen]

i love the show and the team, but bored with the flirting with guests (female!)
it doesnt matter who it is from pink to hollyoaks randoms, its the same crack.
There seems less abuse of Aled anymore which was always hilarious!

[Yudster]

There can never be too much Aled abuse.

[s4b]

When and why did you think it was rubbish, and how did you come to change your mind?

I hated Chris when he was on in the afternoons, I thought he was an arrogant prick but now I think he's amazing and he has a team around him who keep him amazing! He has grown up a lot maybe before he was a bit too infantile for me. Much like Scott who I can't listen to either.

[jet]

I started listening to a little bit of scott last week, he's not as bad as i thought.

[postie]

oh it was the afternoons what got me listening to him that got me hooked

[John]

Much the same for me (awesome).

It has always been the highlight of my working day. Some people need a good breakfast to get them going, I just need Mister Moyles & the rest of the team (easier to digest).

However, saying that; 5 years ago I use to be able to listen to pretty much all the show and these days it's just not possible for me to do so, so I tend to only catch about 30 mins.

[Sunny So Cal]

I hated Chris when he was on in the afternoons, I thought he was an arrogant prick.

You thought wrong! ;)

I still remember the first time I heard the team -- it was summer of 1999 and they were on in the afternoons. I was driving on some tiny B road in the Scottish Highlands on the way to my mate's house. My (eldest) son was in the backseat and moaning about the number of hours I was making him sit. The moment we found Radio 1 (and heard Moyles) we were both laughing! I haven't stopped listening since :)

YES, it's as good now as it was then -- though, I must say, listening to the show LIVE was easier when you were on in the afternoons than it is for me now. It's that 10:30 PM to 2:00 AM time-slot that's killing me! ;)

[postie]

my day ain't a good start without him

[Aimee]

my day ain't a good start without him

ditto, it sets me up for the day - all happy and cheery (cus the shows funny)....then i get to work :011: lol

[Mitchell]

I'm in the "no right option available" bracket. I think there are some things that are better, and some things that are worse.


In the better catagory:

-- less music and more talking. Always a plus, I think.

-- song parodies. I don't know how long they've existed for, but the better ones have been the ones of the past two years, even though they've slowly become overdone. I appreciate that Chris is a big Weird Al fan, but he isn't Weird Al and the parodies would be better off being kept to one every six months or so, and not wasting it on riff raff. When they hit the mark, they hit big time. Keep it special.

-- well-rounded show characters. Dom has really come into his own as an essential and bloody funny everyman who just goes about his daily naive business, but still brings the seriousness in the next breath. Aled is less of the dolt, and more the arrogant, vain and flirtacious bitch - so the team suggest - but with a real sweet heart and a calming youthful voice and attitude to things that would clearly appeal to people. It's nice to have that, with all due respect, women's point of view from a man's voice approach. It's something done well, and not demeaning to the 'gay' name.

-- more honesty. I like the "if it sucks, say so" approach that has become more prominent in the show.


And the negatives:

-- Changing times. Dave and Dom are now proud fathers and husbands. Carrie is married. Rachel is engaged. Aled and Chris are happily taken. This isn't the young, free and wild crew of years gone by. It's one step away from a midlife crisis, sadly. Not to say the show doesn't connect with young people, but it doesn't have the edge it used to. It's heading into Radio 2's Saturday programming style, which is perfectly fine. For Radio 2.

-- Sticks, beatings, and dead horses. I saw a post elsewhere on the internet that suggested that Cheggers take a show of his own for a day or a week or such, and I pondered long and hard about how many shows I could think of that would be worse. I settled on Jeremy Kyle and just plain dead air. I like Keith Chegwin, but novelty jokes don't last longer than five minutes in small doses. Anything longer than an hour would hammer the joke so far into the ground that he'd be peaking out of Sydney by the end of the show. The Numa Numa Guy video was also hammered into the floor, which would have been forgivable were it relevent; it was about three years too late. Might as well introduce the audience to Goatse, Bananaphone and Badger Badger Badger whilst on a "past-it's-peak internet fad kick". Anything older than Rick Rolls should be removed from consideration.

-- Less ego. Apparently this makes him seem warmer to the audience. Absolutely makes me sick. I want Howard Stern-level arrogance oozing from people. I want him to lay into his team more, and to be meaner, and to make Aled repeat after him when he makes a mistake: "I, Aled, will listen to boss and not make stupid mistakes again." and so on. He should also be less two-faced and just insult people to their faces. Screw what they think - they asked to be on the show, and they should be aware of what they're walking into. Aled wouldn't go onto Stern and hope he doesn't ask about anal sex, because it's the absolute first thing he'll ask about. Moyles should be more hard-hitting. Doesn't need to ask about anal sex, but ask the more revealing questions, and push for answers. If they go quiet or are crap, talk over them and get them out ASAP. I'm sick of hearing a bad interviewee, having Chris squirm, and then bitching after the fact. Deal with it there and then. Grow more balls, FFS.

So it's swings and roundabouts. For any bad stuff that's developed, there's been plenty of improvements to replace it. It's just give and take, in terms of finding that perfect medium.

[s4b]

Maybe you're just not a morning person Kate. If you don't enjoy it then stop listening.

[Yudster]

I'm struggling to see where she said she doesn't enjoy it......

[Kate]

Something odd happened when I went to edit one post and somehow ended up deleting my original post on this subject. So to avoid confusion I'll re-post below what I had said in my original post, the one which s4b has commented on above.

But if he did start each interview with a question about anal sex then it would make his interviews a hell of a lot more interesting. I find that interviews are consistently the weakest part of the show for me. Chris never seems to bother to dig deep enough to find out anything of much note with his interviewees. He just flirts with pretty much every woman, which is deeply dull, with men he doesn't do much better, and he tends to let most interviews drag on for far too long.

If, after an interview, I had to write down ten new facts about the person (or whatever subject it was that guest had come in to talk about) whom Chris had interviewed then I doubt I would be able to come up with five.

I'm not saying I expect him to be Jeremy Paxman or even Jonathon Ross, but I would like him to be a little less interested in himself (a tall order I know) during interviews, and focus on drawing more out of his guests, something which can easily be done on daytime radio without getting overly serious about it.

For example I heard Gordon Ramsay, a regular Moyles guest, being interviewed on R2 last week by Mark Radcliffe and Emma Forbes, neither of whom I'm sure would profess to be skilled interviewers.

But even though he was only on for about ten minutes, I thoroughly enjoyed the interview because there was 'banter' involved, but it also gave me a lot of information about what Gordon was there to talk about. So at the end of the short time he was on air, I felt like I knew why he'd been on the show, what the point of the whole interview was, and it hadn't rambled on.

As for the rest of the show, I would say that, like Mitchell, I think there are many ways in which it has changed both for the good and for the worse in the last five years. I would say these are

For the worse (because I like to start with the negatives obviously)

-it's become far more corporate, with more boring station competitions (I loved it when they suspended all BBC competitions)

-Carrie and Rachel have joined, and the less said about them the better

-Will Kinder doesn't work on it anymore

-there are too many on air voices

-Because they've settled down the teams' lives aren't as carefree and 'singlified' as they once were and therefore don't usually make for as interesting radio as they did five years ago

-there are a lot more guests

-there are rarely any random games featured anymore, the kind that used to be made up by Dave and called 'Battlenips' or 'Frog or Dog' etc.

Changes for the better/positives

-It still manages to be a good show for me for the most part, despite anything negative I can come up with about it

I will come back to the positives. I'm sure I can add to them, but that honestly is all I can come up with off the top of my head. The reason for that would be that I have never, and doubt I will ever, enjoy the Breakfast show as much as I did the afternoon show.

Maybe you're just not a morning person Kate. If you don't enjoy it then stop listening.


-It still manages to be a good show for me for the most part, despite anything negative I can come up with about it

I thought that line would have made it clear that I do enjoy it most of the time? If not then I'm sorry, but that's about as positive as I get most of time I'm afraid.

I have thought of another positive though. I really like the Golden Hour, although I do wish they were allowed to choose older records, and not have the vast majority being from the nineties every week. And there's no way certain records which have been on, such as 'Crazy in Love' or any Britney drivel (with the possible exception of 'Hit me Baby...'), should qualify as being 'golden'.

And it seems as if Dave has granted my wish of hearing more of his random games, because I thoroughly enjoyed his amazing 'Quizeen' feature this morning.

Going off topic a little, I've noticed over the last few weeks that in the blog section, in which each team member is supposed to write a blog on their assigned day, that Chris hasn't being doing his on a Friday. I wonder whether there is any reason for this or if he just can't be bothered. I don't think he could claim he doesn't have enough time to fit it in, as he has often admited that he has lots of free time during the day for sitting on his couch playing computer games and such like.

[Mitchell]

But if he did then it would make his interviews a hell of a lot more interesting. I find that interviews are consistently the weakest part of the show for me. Chris never seems to bother to dig deep enough to find out anything of much note with his interviewees. He just flirts with pretty much every woman, which is deeply dull, with men he doesn't do much better, and he tends to let most interviews drag on for far too long.

If, after an interview, I had to write down ten new facts about the person (or whatever subject it was that guest had come in to talk about) whom Chris had interviewed then I doubt I would be able to come up five.

I'm not saying I expect him to be Jeremy Paxman or even Jonathon Ross, but I would like him to be a little less interested in himself (a tall order I know) during interviews, and focus on drawing more out of his guests, something which can easily be done on daytime radio without getting overly serious about it.
I completely agree, and I can't believe I didn't mention it before. On the bright side, you said it better than I could have. Despite what Chris might or might not say, he is not a good interviewer. He can get good material out of good guests, but so could Aled, Dom and Dave. So could you, I, and a plank of wood. But with bad guests, Chris really fails in a major way and then waits until it's over to whine about it.

I would say I hate comparing to Howard Stern, but I obviously don't, so I will do it again: Stern is the best damn interviewer in radio, full stop. He can make any boring person seem like the msot interesting on the planet. He knows how to get right in with the revealing and relevent questions, pursues it, and will simply make fun of the guest if they don't provide anything good - to their faces no less. He never stumbles, and never backs out of a question. He can judge people well, and knows how to inject life into something. With people like Chris Rock, who likes him, he can just sit back whilst Rock makes fun of him. With a less responsive guest, he'll focus on comedy or repeatedly say "oh coem on, why won't you answer?", almost browbeating them into being uncomfortable, which is great radio. A notorious example was when he made Richard Simmons cry, and storm out the studio into a lift, crying his eyes out as Stern went out to "comfort" him (ie. saying "come back" whilst laughing his ass off).

Needless to say, Chris doesn't have that skill at all.


EDIT: For example's sake - here's an example of why Stern is such a good interview:

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[Ajayrious]

Needless to say, Chris doesn't have that skill at all.


Thats not a skill, its called bullying.. and from on air conversations over the last few years it seems they have enough trouble getting big name guests on as it is without that sort of rubbish. I seem to remember Aled saying once that all but one of the major film companies refuse to send their people on the show because they think that Chris will take the piss or make fun of them.

Howard Stern is a different kettle of fish all together you cannot expect Chris to do what he does. If Chris did, i would have thought he'd be fired quicker than an Alabama Congressmans gun at a gay pride parade.

[Yudster]

Going off topic a little, I've noticed over the last few weeks that in the blog section, in which each team member is supposed to write a blog on their assigned day, that Chris hasn't being doing his on a Friday. I wonder whether there is any reason for this or if he just can't be bothered.

From what I understand of Chris, he doesn't want to do it, knows he can get away with not doing it (because the people who are in charge of such things are too scared to actually insist that he does it) so he doesn't do it. I think he doesn't see why he should.

Of course this opinion is gleaned from bits and pieces of what people who have experienced Chris have told me, and the impression of his personality this has formed. It could be completely wrong.

I agree with Ajayrious too re Howard Stern - I don't find that kind of thing interesting or entertaining to listen to. Stern is Stern, he should remain unique.

[Console]

I've never been a big fan of Stern. I've listened to a few of his shows, but I've never felt the urge to listen to any more. I've heard interviews he's done, too, he's certainly more of a 'shock jock' than Moyles, but I don't find the interviews he does particularly interesting, although the few I heard were with people I'd either not heard of or cared little about.

Now, on the whole, Moyles isn't a particularly good interviewer, but I've never really thought as Moyles as giving interviews, he has guests on his show and they chat and mess around. When's he tried to conduct an interview it doesn't work very well, and with people he doesn't click with it's all he really has to fall back on.

If Moyles must have guests on his show, then I would love it to be people that he's friends with, or gets on well with - not people that want to come on to plug stuff.

[Mitchell]

Thats not a skill, its called bullying..
Most great interviews pretty much are, if your logic computes. Jeremy Paxman could be considered a bully, but blow me tight can he deliver a great interview for the questions that people want to hear. But even if it's not as "forceful", you can do great interviews that revolve around more than "oh God, you're hot" (and Stern is just as guilty for doing that with boring women). Stephen Colbert is a comedian with a spoof persona and his interviews are absolutely fantastic. There was an infamous one with Debra Dickerson, who argued legitimately that Barack Obama isn't black, and Colbert ran rings around her to the point that he was raising serious points in a comedy fashion and she actually got lost in his argument and pretty much gave up hope near the end because she knew Colbert had her. And yet Colbert has absolutely no end of guests because he's so appealing to the target market and politicians know that it'll only raise their profile and game.

Link here, for reference: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/81955/february-08-2007/debra-dickerson

Howard Stern is a different kettle of fish all together you cannot expect Chris to do what he does.
Between the song parodies, zoo format, constant ripping of producers and co-producers, the bringing in of guests whilst on-air, and the general format of the show, he pretty much already does. And Chris is well known to be a Stern fan anyway. He doesn't have to do exactly what Stern does (although it's hard not to - a lot of the top DJs like James Whale are influenced by him too, and Chris Evans practically worshipped him), but Stern is unarguably the most successful, influential and arguably the greatest radio guy in the world. So it makes sense that if Stern does something very well, that you should at least attempt to try and be good at it, particularly if you're not that good at it.

If it makes you feel better, I'd be happy if Moyles copied anyone with a knack for interviews. He could follow a no-name for the week and as long as he got better at them, I'd personally be very happy. He can take an online 30-minute Flash test to improve his skills for all I care. As long as it shows results, it's all that matters. Stern was simply the first and best example I could think of.

If Chris did, i would have thought he'd be fired quicker than an Alabama Congressmans gun at a gay pride parade.
In this country, definitely. But it's just a case of being clever about it, and working around the system. And in fairness to him, Chris has always been good at that.

[JamesOK]

For me The Moyles show is about listening to a few mates (who I dont actually know ) chatting in my kitchen about various random stuff and making me laugh. I ticked "Its much the same" because I think its a good show and always has been.

I am unsuprised that so many votes went for "Its much better" as this board seems to have many people with no objective criticism in them, just "ooh i love it" to everything and everyone. Not saying all, but theres certainly a percentage.

I only have two things which really irritate me about the show:
1. I wish Chris wouldnt talk over the news and sport unecessarily
2. I wish Aled would not do the "I dont get it, I am stupid" routine so often. Aled is obviously a very intelligent guy to have a high profile job as he does. So dont patronise us by telling us youre thick!

In terms of good things about the show, a lasting memory I have is when I came back from a couple of months in Australia, got on the train and switched my portable radio on at 7am for the start of Moyles. Was great to hear my mates (who I dont actually know) again and a real feeling of being back home.

[JamesOK]

In this country, definitely. But it's just a case of being clever about it, and working around the system. And in fairness to him, Chris has always been good at that.

He certainly has, even persuaded people that going to L.A would benefit the show... :icon_wink:

[Riz]

There seems to be a bit of a debate going on here, but im going to answer the original question.

Compared with some people here, im still perhaps a relatively new listener of the show. Ive been listening id say for maybe the past 3 or 4 years. Obviously i cant stretch to specifically 5 years ago. But i no longer listen as much as i used to. It used to be a morning regime, where id listen to most of the show. But i can hand on heart say i cant remember the last time i listened to a full show. I hear the odd ten minutes here and there but i wouldnt consider myself a listener anymore. I dont know if ive got lazier and am just not up in time for it, if im jsut bored with the show or if i just stopped listening one day and havent really gotten back into the habit.

I wouldnt say the show has gone downhill, i guess my personal preferences have changed, thats all.

[Yudster]

I only have two things which really irritate me about the show:
1. I wish Chris wouldnt talk over the news and sport unecessarily
2. I wish Aled would not do the "I dont get it, I am stupid" routine so often. Aled is obviously a very intelligent guy to have a high profile job as he does. So dont patronise us by telling us youre thick!


I agree with both of these wholeheartedly.

[postie]

There seems to be a bit of a debate going on here, but im going to answer the original question.

Compared with some people here, im still perhaps a relatively new listener of the show. Ive been listening id say for maybe the past 3 or 4 years. Obviously i cant stretch to specifically 5 years ago. But i no longer listen as much as i used to. It used to be a morning regime, where id listen to most of the show. But i can hand on heart say i cant remember the last time i listened to a full show. I hear the odd ten minutes here and there but i wouldnt consider myself a listener anymore. I dont know if ive got lazier and am just not up in time for it, if im jsut bored with the show or if i just stopped listening one day and havent really gotten back into the habit.

I wouldnt say the show has gone downhill, i guess my personal preferences have changed, thats all.

omg you're one of the lost listeners

[s4b]

omg you're one of the lost listeners

Quick someone get a lassoo and someone else call Aled!

[postie]

Another 200,000 lost

get back and listen now Riz

[Kate]

Another 200,000 lost

Perhaps this fact answers the question Aled has posed in this thread.

[Mitchell]

I usually feel bad for Moyles any time he loses listeners, but the past few days have forced me to stop listening for the rest of the week until the whole "let's give Peter Kay a giant blowjob" garbage dies down. Rachel was actually the one who made me turn off in physical anger, after her scumtastic comment about how Peter Kay's show was genius because it had Lionel Blair on. At that point, I turned off and decided to listen to another breakfast show. I felt physically sick hearing people I enjoy listening to being such shills for what was such an awful product that they obviously had NO clue about, and doing so with such an ignorant and patronising attitude about it.

So I'm actually not all that upset that they've lost listeners, for my own vindication.

[postie]

its the radio crunch its affecting listening figures

[Kate]

I usually feel bad for Moyles any time he loses listeners, but the past few days have forced me to stop listening for the rest of the week until the whole "let's give Peter Kay a giant blowjob" garbage dies down. Rachel was actually the one who made me turn off in physical anger, after her scumtastic comment about how Peter Kay's show was genius because it had Lionel Blair on. At that point, I turned off and decided to listen to another breakfast show. I felt physically sick hearing people I enjoy listening to being such shills for what was such an awful product that they obviously had NO clue about, and doing so with such an ignorant and patronising attitude about it.

So I'm actually not all that upset that they've lost listeners, for my own vindication.

I take it you're not a big Peter Kay fan then. Whilst we're show bashing, and to go off on a slight tangent which I'm quite sure most people couldn't care less about, I'd like to know what idiots are responsible for putting the blogs, running orders etc. up on the Chris Moyles part of the site.

Every week I notice a good few mistakes being made in the content on the site, either with grammar or spelling. For example, in today's running order this is what it says for 7.20- 'Dom’s got the clip of Sinitta giving out an award, where she takes the credit for discovering Leona Lewis. We obviously take the mickey for this ludicrous statement'. Since when do people take the mickey for things rather than out of them?

Aled's blog for today is entitled 'This what the team are doing today', and his previous blog is posed as a question for some reason, 'This is what the team are doing today?'.

In the running order a couple of weeks ago a trip was said to be immanent rather than imminent, which meant the sentence didn't make any sense. I could go on and give a host of other examples, and that'd be without even mentioning Carrie and her ridiculous use of exclamation marks!!!!!

I would have thought that the majority of people working for the BBC would have some sort of journalistic training and therefore would have a basic standard of ability in terms of their writing.

But it would appear that either this isn't the case, or else they are extremely careless when proof reading the content they put up on their site for (I'm guessing) hundreds of thousands of people to read. Either way, you'd expect better from the BBC.

[Mitchell]

I'm not a huge Peter Kay fan, particularly of his new stuff (pre-Phoenix Nights Kay was fantastic, but he became far too arrogant and took too much credit for work he didn't do), but Moyles might as well have bent over and taken Kay's penis right up his ass there and then, for all the ass-kissing he was doing. It was really sad to hear someone reduced to championing something so popular with the idiots of society who think that Kay is God's gift to comedy.

Furthermore, he qualified it by saying "if you didn't find it funny, it was just too clever for you", which was not just a bold statement, but 100% wrong on every level. I get the feeling that Chris watches comedies like Alan Partridge, The Day Today etc, but doesn't actually understand what makes them funny beyond the catchphrases. So hearing him say that, especially when a guy like myself can sit through Brass Eye, The Armando Iannucci Shows, Arrested Development and other really smart comedies, and actually understand it and find humour in all the places you have to really study to find, to tell me that Peter Kay, King of the lower-classes and their simple British humour (and I know I'm gonna be dragged over the coals for saying that) is too clever for me was just insulting to my intelligence, which seems to far surpass that of the show at this point.

[postie]

critics are so anal sometimes ;)

[Ajayrious]

I usually feel bad for Moyles any time he loses listeners, but the past few days have forced me to stop listening for the rest of the week until the whole "let's give Peter Kay a giant blowjob" garbage dies down. Rachel was actually the one who made me turn off in physical anger, after her scumtastic comment about how Peter Kay's show was genius because it had Lionel Blair on. At that point, I turned off and decided to listen to another breakfast show. I felt physically sick hearing people I enjoy listening to being such shills for what was such an awful product that they obviously had NO clue about, and doing so with such an ignorant and patronising attitude about it.

So I'm actually not all that upset that they've lost listeners, for my own vindication.

I get the feeling (knowing your musical tastes) that you dont watch shows like X Factor, Pop Idol etc. If this is the case then that show will be completely lost on you. Which i think was what Chris was trying to say when he said what he said. I didnt like that comment either.

However just because YOU didnt like it, doesnt mean that the show was "Up Peter Kays arse about it". I got the feeling that Chris genuinely liked it, and furthermore is utterly amused that the winners song may get to number one, or at least beat the "Real" winner of X Factor. Just like how he was so amused and motivated when he got Billie Piper back into the top 20 a couple of years ago.

When Rachel said about the show being genius because Lionel Blair was on it. I agree with her, stuff like that just added to the authenticness of such a brilliant send up of a show that has some awful and inappropriate people on it supposedly giving the contestants such vital advice on making it in the world of celebrity.

[Aled]

Oh wow! I'm starting to see the need for a "I hate" thread because clearly there is a lot of pent-up aggression here that needs voicing.

M1TCH3LL you know I have a lot time and respect for the things you say - but you lose me at

I felt physically sick hearing people I enjoy listening to being such shills for what was such an awful product that they obviously had NO clue about

Enjoying something is personal to them, it's their opinion so you don't know more about what they enjoy than they do. Saying that they had NO clue about the show doesn't make sense - they found it funny so they have a right to enjoy it and talk about it. It seems a little immature that because you don't like it you should have such a severe reaction to someone who did. Come on, we can all accept other people have views different to our own, can't we!

And as for the ever tactful Kate

Perhaps this fact answers the question Aled has posed in this thread.

as much I undersand your need to take a swipe at anything that might appear to be positive and to highlight the negative we don't know why the figures have gone down a little. And, despite how it looks 200,000 for us is a little. My theory is that, if you look at Radio 1 historically over the summer months the station goes up slightly as teenagers and school kids are around throughout the day to listen but the breakfast show goes down because for those very people Jo Whiley becomes the breakfast show (true enough her figures went up). I know if I'm not working I tend to wake between 10 - 11. We have 1.5 million 12 - 17 year olds that listen. In THAT respect 200,00 is a small number of them. (Wogan went down much less because he has less of a teenage audience)

In addition to this the summer months is when people go on holiday and their routines are all over the place.

There have been a couple of summer months when the show has bucked this trend but that was in the first couple of years when the new show was reaching new people and we adding at a ferocious rate. Now that the UK has a whole know we're there we're getting close to finding the level of population that want to listen to us (broadly speaking) which means we're now settling into normal market fluctuations.

This is just a theory, another one is that this is the first quarter in the show's history that we've had two sets of holidays in one rajar book - which means for one of the three months we weren't on air. Next quarter we won't have any.

Bear in mind also, as much as we're great (cause we are) our competition isn't at the moment. They're more concerned with getting their business in order, merging and whethering the economic storm than making great radio. That's not going to last - and rightfully so. Commercial radio have some good ideas being formed and when they finally get their act together inevitably it will have an impact on our figures as between us and Wogan we have the lion's share. But that's alright. It doesn't make the show any less good to listen to and it's healthy for all concerned.

As for Kate's other point:

Every week I notice a good few mistakes being made in the content on the site, either with grammar or spelling.

It's noted. Our online commitments in the areas you mention are rushed because of many inexcusable reasons.

you'd expect better from the BBC.

You're right. You should expect more. I'll get onto it on Monday.

Speech over

x

[Aimee]

god why do people have to be so negative about the show?? yes everyones entitled to their opinions but....
but the past few days have forced me to stop listening for the rest of the week until the whole "let's give Peter Kay a giant blowjob" garbage dies down. I felt physically sick hearing people I enjoy listening to being such shills for what was such an awful product that they obviously had NO clue about, and doing so with such an ignorant and patronising attitude about it.

If people dont like it dont listen simple as, i just wish they wouldn't bad mouth it when other people obviously like listening to it in here...me included.

[postie]

you know what i love the show and that is all that matters to me nuff said

[Mitchell]

I get the feeling (knowing your musical tastes) that you dont watch shows like X Factor, Pop Idol etc. If this is the case then that show will be completely lost on you. Which i think was what Chris was trying to say when he said what he said. I didnt like that comment either.
I don't like the music on the shows such as X Factor, but I have watched the shows quite a lot since it's inception, particularly American Idol which produced two of my favourite recording artists (Kelly Clarkson and Chris Daughtry). So it wasn't lost on me at all - I got all the gags, the subtle bits and pieces, etc. I just didn't find it funny, nor did I think it went far enough to spoof the real shows. Had I not known prior that it was a spoof, it would have taken me a good 10/20 minutes to realise - it looked and acted just like the real thing, which isn't a good thing because spoofs are supposed to lampoon, not to actually be them.

Compare "Britains Got The Pop Factor" to "The Day Today". TDT is pretty much the ultimate parody because it had the over the top, surreal (and I'm using that word for a product that deserves it - take note, Rachel) stories and complete overkill of the graphics and production values. Better yet, it worked not only because it was obviously a spoof and at times downright angry in its attacks, but TV news ended up following its route and became self-parody. I guarentee than no university media course will ever show BGTPF as an example of good TV satire, whereas TDT is still being shown in classes 14 years later. Kay was simply lazy in his "attacks", if you can even call them that. He overdid the easy targets and the rest was just "haha, remember the 80s?" and "look, a midget and two girls in wheelchairs - aren't people with disabilities funny? let's laugh at them." Liking the show is one thing, but calling it a genius parody shows a clear, CLEAR lack of knowing what good parody is.

However just because YOU didnt like it, doesnt mean that the show was "Up Peter Kays arse about it". I got the feeling that Chris genuinely liked it, and furthermore is utterly amused that the winners song may get to number one, or at least beat the "Real" winner of X Factor. Just like how he was so amused and motivated when he got Billie Piper back into the top 20 a couple of years ago.
No, it does. It does mean it was up his arse. I've heard Chris liking things before, but he's never done so in the mode of "I loved it, and I'm gonna play the clips 24/7, and if you don't like it then you're a moron who doesn't get comedy - oh look, here's Peter Kay on the phone for an interview, and here's his song, and more references, and you're still all idiots if you hate it." Even Gavin and Stacey never got that treatment. This was a complete embarrassment of a shill, like Chris is trying to somehow hang on to what the casual (and fickle) public find funny in order to bring more attention to the show. Fair enough if he liked it - that's FINE. But don't spend three and a half hours orgasming over it, and then shouting at the virgins because they didn't get any love.

When Rachel said about the show being genius because Lionel Blair was on it. I agree with her, stuff like that just added to the authenticness of such a brilliant send up of a show that has some awful and inappropriate people on it supposedly giving the contestants such vital advice on making it in the world of celebrity.
You completely lost me here. How did Lionel Blair add to the "authenticness"? What on Earth does Lionel Blair have to do with X Factor? It was clearly, knowing Kay's humour as well as I do (and I've had to study it, so I do know what I'm talking about), a cheap nostalgia joke, same as having The Cheeky Girls swear. No other reason, just a "oh my God, the cheeky girls swore... how ROTFLMAO!". If that is genius, then I have lost all hope for the future of this society - one that is already on the brink with it's overuse of "legend" and voting in Boris Johnson to a real, important political position because he comes off like a goof on Have I Got News For You.

I don't want to spend too much time on Peter Kay, because no one loves him more than he does, and he can do a far better job of shilling his product than I can - but - this was not a send-up. This was a case of bringing in celebrities that Peter Kay likes, to have people immediately laugh because it's Lionel Blair (not because he's a spoof on the poor range of guest speakers - I would put good money on a distinct minority of Kay-loving viewers even thinking about his appearance in this way), much like Ricky Gervais did with the barely-superior Extras. And it all led to Kay releasing a song that has no comedy value at all, and that is cashing in on the worn-off novelty of the novelty record that has been done to death already. Who cares if Peter Kay gets to #1? Does anyone even follow the charts anymore? This isn't the Mark Goodier era of greatness - you mgiht as well just release songs and play at whim, because no one really cares about the top spot, and it's rare that top spot songs even get played much more than any other - it just shows who made more money that week. Good luck to Peter, since the money is all he gives a toss about.

So yeah, in conclusion: the show was completely nauseating this week, thanks to Peter Kay.

And Rachel.


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god why do people have to be so negative about the show?? yes everyones entitled to their opinions but....

If people dont like it dont listen simple as, I just wish they wouldn't bad mouth it when other people obviously like listening to it in here...me included.
You may not have noticed, but Aled asked if the show is better or worse than it was 5 years ago. By your logic, every post should be saying "oh yes, it's amazing, so much better", which is an unfair representation of the audience and going completely against the point of the question. I'm as big a fan of the show as anyone - but if anything, that's what actually drives me into madness when I hear things on the show that make me angry. You may have noticed already, but I tend to be quite passionate about things when I talk or write about them, and radio is a significant passion for me. So when I'm "bad mouthing" the show, I'm not doing it because I hate Chris and Aled and the team - if I did, I wouldn't have even joined this site. But when Aled asks for posters to tell him the truth (in keeping with that BBC policy of truth-telling that they've perfected so well over the past few years), then I'm going to do so from my own viewpoint. He doesn't have to agree with it, or take any of it on board. But I'm not gonna suck up and say "oh Aled it's marvellous" because I don't believe it's perfect, and I doubt he'd want me to say it is if I didn't think it was.

If Aled started a thread saying "what do you love about the show", I could probably write a good few pages about how good it is. But he didn't, so I haven't.

[Yudster]

I didn't watch the Peter Kay thing - I can't stand X-Factor so i thought there was a decent chance that I wouldn't particularly enjoy a spoof of it. I still enjoyed the show while they were talking about it though, which is perhaps surprising now I think about it. I'm cetainly not going to over-analyse my enjoyment or otherwise of my morning aural wallpaper though. I love the show. Does it really matter why?

[Kate]

god why do people have to be so negative about the show?? yes everyones entitled to their opinions but....


If people dont like it dont listen simple as, i just wish they wouldn't bad mouth it when other people obviously like listening to it in here...me included.


I'd point you towards Mitchell's response to this comment because that's pretty much exactly what my response would be too.

I'd also add that I do enjoy an awful lot about the show, for example I loved yesterday's show. I thought Jonathon Ross was a great guest, I always like the Golden Hour, and overall it was a very good listen.

But as Mitchell said, Aled didn't call this thread 'What do you love about the Chris Moyles Show?', so people are more than entitled to make posts containing both positives and negatives about it.

[Aimee]

But as Mitchell said, Aled didn't call this thread 'What do you love about the Chris Moyles Show?', so people are more than entitled to make posts containing both positives and negatives about it.

true true but theres posting negative comments and posting stupid comments - "let's give Peter Kay a giant blowjob" garbage dies down. Rachel was actually the one who made me turn off in physical anger, after her scumtastic comment about how Peter Kay's show was genius because it had Lionel Blair on."....?
But like you said everyones entitled to their own opinions.

[Aled]

But as Mitchell said, Aled didn't call this thread 'What do you love about the Chris Moyles Show?', so people are more than entitled to make posts containing both positives and negatives about it.

No, that's true - I'm keen on opinions about whether the show is better or worse than it worse 5 years ago.

The more constructive your comments, you never know, the more chance it has of shaping what we do in '09. We're currently starting the process of shaping how it'll sound in January.

As ever everything will be up for discussion, although we're not fans of huge change in one go.

[s4b]

As ever everything will be up for discussion, although we're not fans of huge change in one go.

Very wise! Change it too much in one go and it'll become unrecognisable and then you'll REALLY lose listeners.

I still say ditch more music! ;) x

[Stewielad]

I still really enjoy the show for the most part, and I love the fact that Dom and the rest of the team get more air time. I think now that Dom is an integral part of the team and the way him and Dave bounce of each other is often very funny.
The only thing I would change is the Golden Hour. I personally find the first half hour of it is starting to get boring as they are only aloud to back as far as 1991. I think Chris has nearly done every year between then and now, so I sometimes turn that off.
The holiday factor might play a part of it aswell. I can't stand Scott Mills so when the team are on holiday I switch over to something else, and wait for the team's return.
Personal for me also at the moment is that I've just recently lost my job due to the credit problems, so I'm not tuning in at 6.30 anymore, I'm more tuning in at about 8. Perhaps other people are in the same boat and not travelling to work at that time anymore.
Just a few thoughts on the plus and negative side of board.

[Ajayrious]

What on Earth does Lionel Blair have to do with X Factor? .

Exactly, that was the joke.

The way nobodies with something to plug end up on these talent shows, supposedly to give advice. Or become mentors. Or become judges. People like Lionel Blair who pop up randomly on tv shows for no apparant reason, just to keep their faces on tv.

You may have not liked it, but i thought it was hilarious.

[Andrew80]

Ach Lionel Blair - Give us a clue - I did enjoy ITV afternoons!

[postie]

I think AJ has hit the nail on the head :)

[bbb]

my god a lot of good ranting wnet on in here and imissed it all ive just read all of it and yes

there are good points raised on both sides and
aj has hit the nail on the head

I love a good rant but wont be jopining in:p

[Mitchell]

Exactly, that was the joke.
WHAT?

Sorry, but you're really scraping the barrel to defend this. Lionel Blair has nothing to do with X Factor, and THAT'S FUNNY??? I assume you'd say the same thing if he used Pat Sharp or Andy Crane or Sarah Palin or Adolf Hitler or Myra Hindley, since they are equally as unrelated to the show. Actually, I'd have laughed my ass off had he wheeled out Hindley (as dead as she may be) to coach the singers.

Let's face it - Kay could have pissed on your face, and you'd lap it up.

[Ajayrious]

Let's face it - Kay could have pissed on your face, and you'd lap it up.

Oh grow up and accept someone has a different opinion to your own, rather than being insulting.

I happen to not like Peter Kay, i cannot stand Phoenix Nights or Max and Paddys big titted adventure. But i liked that program, and yes i got the jokes and you didnt. Accept it and stop being childish.

[postie]

i kinda think that was out of order m1tch3ll just because you don't like peter kay does not mean others don't as well
AJ was merely pointing out of how lionel blair was a joke tied in with the show
to me that was a childish response